Tought Like Mum ft. Carmen Mok

By Stephen Hurley

Host Stephen Hurley scans the education ecosystem, looking for the people and ideas that are starting to change the way we think about teaching, learning, schools and communities.

Carmen Mok is a graphic artist and illustrator. Today, we gather in conversation around the release of her newest creation, “Tough Like Mum”, written by Lana Button and illustrated by, yup, Carmen Mok.

A great conversation about, among other things, illustrators as co-authors.

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Stephen Hurley
Chief Catalyst, voicEd Radio Canada

Stephen Hurley has spent nearly 40 years as an educator. He has experience as a classroom teacher, a curriculum consultant, a teacher educator and a policy observer.

He has a strong relationship with the EdCan Network (formerly the Canadian Education Association), an organization that inspired the launch and evolution of voicEd Radio Canada.

Hurley believes that stronger connections between education research, practice and policy are essential to the type of change that will be necessary in Canada's public education systems moving forward.